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[deborah_c]

So, anyone want to try to draw one of these diagrams for camgoths?

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[http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/]

Yes, here

[karohemd.livejournal.com]

*kaboom-tish*

[the-mendicant.livejournal.com]

Smiles a lot!

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

Those teenagers lied. There are far too few same-sex relations there.

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

And my original comment was going to be "not enough dimensions error".

[deborah_c]

I'm inclined to agree. One of the two loops in the diagram involves apparently the only 2 bisexual students (both girls) out of 832 who were interviewed...

[kelly-lynn.livejournal.com]

There's a bisexual male and a gay male in the big tangle, too.

Four nonstraights out of 832 students? Not a chance.

It's possible that the researchers asked the questions in a way that tended to exclude reporting of gay relationships, though.

[oedipamaas49.livejournal.com]

Probably more significant is that this was a school in the American mid-west, an area not famed for tolerance of homosexuality. If I was in a gay relationship there, I wouldn't be admitting it to the authorities. I wouldn't be too forthcoming in an average English school, either.

[deborah_c]

Actually, I've now spotted the third loop (connected to the big one), and separately one more bi student (a boy this time), and one gay relationship, toward the top right of the big snowflaky thing. Your comment still holds, though :)

[atreic.livejournal.com]

I don't know what it was like in your school, but I'd assume it's far easier to fancy people of the same sex than actually get involved in a relationship with them. I don't remember any school gay couples, and the only friend of mine with a same sex partner borrowed him from off the internet. I think actual relationships are more likely to start at uni, when you're more confident and it's easier to meet people, or at least if you have them pre-uni then more with people you know out of school than in school

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

This is exactly why I'm irritated by there being too few same-sex relationships on there (along with oedipamaas49's comment). There are that many opposite-sex relationships, and then a slew of same-sex relationships that didn't happen because the would-be participants were sitting at home feeling worthless.

[atreic.livejournal.com]

Yes, but you didn't say it was sad that the relationships didn't happen, you said they were lying about whether they had happened or not. Which I'm sure might be true for a couple, but not a vast number...

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

I said both! :p

[deborah_c]

My school? *hollow laugh*

I went to a rather old-fashioned single sex school, at which I suspect exactly no one would have claimed to be having any kind of relationship with anyone else at the school, for fear of being bullied even more than they might otherwise have been. Lurking on friendsreunited a little while ago, I did notice that exactly one of my contemporaries makes some comment to the effect "now very happy in a gay relationship, as some people might have suspected".

[naranek.livejournal.com]

I've tried it once or twice - a long time ago. I believe that meirion and elise make the graph non-planar :-(.

[deborah_c]

I'm deeply surprised that only two people do this, actually, although I'm much less familiar with what the actual interconnections in the network are.

[meirion.livejournal.com]

not, i should imagine, if one follows the constraints of the original picture, and limits it to the last six months.

and i'm not sure whether i should feel insulted or complimented :-/

-m-

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

I just tried it with no knowledge of meirion's life and Elise and I also seem to make things slightly 3D, especially if you include valkyriekaren as well. I will try it going back only six months as meirion suggests and I suspect things will get drastically simpler although there's a big chunk I've missed.

Maybe we should use a wiki...

[deborah_c]

Although the article text and the diagram seem contradictory -- the article refers to an eighteen month period. If the diagram only maps part of the data, I'm curious as to why that particular period was picked, actually, and what the map would look like for the whole eighteen months.

[emarkienna.livejournal.com]

When I was at university, gnimmel constructed a snog-web made out of pipe-cleaners..

[wildeabandon.livejournal.com]

I think the general consensus is that we don't have enough dimensions. Not my fault. Honest.

[dreamfracture.livejournal.com]

We have plenty of dimensions. 11, if you listen to waffling string-theorists. What we don't have are minds capable of adequately comprehending them.

This brings to mind one of my favourite quotes, actually. "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents."

[mazzarc.livejournal.com]

You'd have to update it every week!

[deborah_c]

That infrequently? :-)

Still, at least my little corner is simple to draw:

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[deliberateblank.livejournal.com]

I was going to point out that they seem to have missed out those two cases; I'm sure they're not empty.

[deborah_c]

Well, to be fair, they do say that they're mapping the "romantic and sexual relationships". The article says that they interviewed 832 students, that 573 of them were involved in relationships with other students during an eighteen month period, and that "slightly more than half of all students" -- not clear whether that's all of the 832, or of the 1000 at the school -- were in sexual relationships. (288 are in the big group.)

Obviously, those who weren't in a relationship, sexual or romantic, don't appear on the diagram. I suspect that the proportion of camgoths, though, who didn't figure, would be much, much smaller.

Unless, of course, you were trying to imply that I'm having a sexual relationship with myself, in which case please consider yourself politely and cordially ignored :-)

[deliberateblank.livejournal.com]

Hey, don't diss it - as Woody Allen said it's "sex with someone you really love."

[deborah_c]

Sadly so far from the truth in my case, but that's life...

[atreic.livejournal.com]

*hugs* Much as I'd enjoy trying to rectify the connectivity problem, I think I've worried M enough this weekend... :-/

[deborah_c]

!!

[whotheheckami.livejournal.com]

Surely it would need to be real-time dynamic?

[whotheheckami.livejournal.com]

As said by the lovely sarah_mum of the Cheltenham Goths...

"You can't draw that as a shag-tree, or a shag-web. It's more of a shag-fungus, because it grows underground in the dark and no one really wants to talk about it!"